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		<title>By: db0</title>
		<link>http://dbzer0.com/blog/misunderstanding-communism-ii-its-not-a-religion/comment-page-1#comment-87542</link>
		<dc:creator>db0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Depends on what kind of Communism you speak of. Leninists do have a similar (and borderline schizophrenic) mentality with Lenin&#039;s (and by extension Trotsky&#039;s or Stalin&#039;s or Mao&#039;s) writings sure, but there&#039;s hardly any &quot;holy book&quot; that every communist accepts as a guide. Especially not Anarcho-Communists such as myself. 
 
In fact, if you look into Anarchist ideology, they have the exact same relation to the writings that came before them as you explain about Adam smith. We take what works and dismiss what doesn&#039;t. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Depends on what kind of Communism you speak of. Leninists do have a similar (and borderline schizophrenic) mentality with Lenin&#039;s (and by extension Trotsky&#039;s or Stalin&#039;s or Mao&#039;s) writings sure, but there&#039;s hardly any &quot;holy book&quot; that every communist accepts as a guide. Especially not Anarcho-Communists such as myself. </p>
<p>In fact, if you look into Anarchist ideology, they have the exact same relation to the writings that came before them as you explain about Adam smith. We take what works and dismiss what doesn&#039;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Giorgis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giorgis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It depends how you look at it ... Communism is actually the end result. A utopia type society where there are no classes where produces to their capability and to each depending on their need. That is no different to a paradise. Desperate people where sold that to fight for the cause. Also the holy book is considered infallible, and debating with a communist is like debating with a fundamentalist Christian. The &quot;book&quot; is infallible, and there is no need for any new knowledge. Adam smith proposed a theory, and it has endlessly been revised an updated. Nobody goes to Adam Smith and argues from authority much like nobody reads the origin of the species for any other reason than history.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It depends how you look at it &#8230; Communism is actually the end result. A utopia type society where there are no classes where produces to their capability and to each depending on their need. That is no different to a paradise. Desperate people where sold that to fight for the cause. Also the holy book is considered infallible, and debating with a communist is like debating with a fundamentalist Christian. The &quot;book&quot; is infallible, and there is no need for any new knowledge. Adam smith proposed a theory, and it has endlessly been revised an updated. Nobody goes to Adam Smith and argues from authority much like nobody reads the origin of the species for any other reason than history.</p>
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		<title>By: BlueLinchpin</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlueLinchpin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 01:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post again. I got inspired and will be posting a little myself on the matter, explaining what exactly Communism is and clearing up some misunderstandings, and linking over here. I really wish there were more posts like this on the internet, and more people could be educated. Can&#039;t wait to read more and will point as many people as possible over here. ;) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post again. I got inspired and will be posting a little myself on the matter, explaining what exactly Communism is and clearing up some misunderstandings, and linking over here. I really wish there were more posts like this on the internet, and more people could be educated. Can&#039;t wait to read more and will point as many people as possible over here. <img src='http://dbzer0.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: BlackSun</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlackSun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 08:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You made some good points here. But I think the metaphor of &quot;state religion&quot; largely holds. Under historical communism, people had no choice but to accept state decisions. The writings of the leaders have been often carried around and studied like religious texts. Questioning core &quot;faith&quot; in the system could get you arrested and imprisoned. Large pictures of the leaders are posted and worshiped. In the case of Kim Jong Il, it&#039;s definitely a quasi-religion. At the very least like toomanytribbles said, a cult of personality. 
 
I have used this argument successfully to confront false accusations that the concentration camps operated and murders often committed under communism are the end result of atheism. I say they should be laid at the feet of a &quot;state religion.&quot; A rational humanistic society would guarantee high levels of freedom of expression and self-determination. It would never allow such atrocities to occur. Only dogma could justify the systematic taking away of human rights. Political dogma is just as guilty as the religious kind. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You made some good points here. But I think the metaphor of &quot;state religion&quot; largely holds. Under historical communism, people had no choice but to accept state decisions. The writings of the leaders have been often carried around and studied like religious texts. Questioning core &quot;faith&quot; in the system could get you arrested and imprisoned. Large pictures of the leaders are posted and worshiped. In the case of Kim Jong Il, it&#039;s definitely a quasi-religion. At the very least like toomanytribbles said, a cult of personality. </p>
<p>I have used this argument successfully to confront false accusations that the concentration camps operated and murders often committed under communism are the end result of atheism. I say they should be laid at the feet of a &quot;state religion.&quot; A rational humanistic society would guarantee high levels of freedom of expression and self-determination. It would never allow such atrocities to occur. Only dogma could justify the systematic taking away of human rights. Political dogma is just as guilty as the religious kind.</p>
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		<title>By: db0</title>
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		<dc:creator>db0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 06:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not disagree but as I said in my previous article, the regimes under which this &quot;state religion&quot; appeared are not communism. You have to remember thought that the places which did get this kind of political dogma had a total absolutist monarchy before. The peasants were conditioned for thousands of years to unquestionably follow orders so it was party societal natural selection that brought a leader to the forefront who could use this power most optimally.  
  
Furthemore, this kind of political dogma is not necessarily a problem of these regimes. I could very well argue that the state religion of the western societies is the blind trust in the powers of Capitalism and lately of the &quot;free markets&quot;. Not only is it accepted unquestionably by most that Capitalism is the best system but any criticism is swiftly silenced or ridiculed. It might be more liberal, in the sense that one can express criticism without fearing for his life, but this is mostly because people in the western world have had enough time to develop a degree of critical thinking and tolerance. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not disagree but as I said in my previous article, the regimes under which this &quot;state religion&quot; appeared are not communism. You have to remember thought that the places which did get this kind of political dogma had a total absolutist monarchy before. The peasants were conditioned for thousands of years to unquestionably follow orders so it was party societal natural selection that brought a leader to the forefront who could use this power most optimally.  </p>
<p>Furthemore, this kind of political dogma is not necessarily a problem of these regimes. I could very well argue that the state religion of the western societies is the blind trust in the powers of Capitalism and lately of the &quot;free markets&quot;. Not only is it accepted unquestionably by most that Capitalism is the best system but any criticism is swiftly silenced or ridiculed. It might be more liberal, in the sense that one can express criticism without fearing for his life, but this is mostly because people in the western world have had enough time to develop a degree of critical thinking and tolerance.</p>
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		<title>By: toomanytribbles</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 02:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;cult of personality&#039; 
 
exactly that.   refer to a picture i took in beijing:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/toomanytribbles/2320348624 &quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.flickr.com/photos/toomanytribbles/2320...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#039;cult of personality&#039; </p>
<p>exactly that.   refer to a picture i took in beijing:  <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/toomanytribbles/2320348624 " target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/toomanytribbles/2320&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: db0</title>
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		<dc:creator>db0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 02:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;i liked both of these posts. will there be more? &lt;/blockquote&gt; 
 
Certainly. I&#039;m writing the next one now. 
 
&lt;blockquote&gt;i do think, however, that the way it was expressed specifically in the ussr and in china has quite a few elements of religiosity&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
 
True but this had a lot to do with the cult of personality such regimes create in order to breed obedience.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>i liked both of these posts. will there be more? </p></blockquote>
<p>Certainly. I&#039;m writing the next one now. </p>
<blockquote><p>i do think, however, that the way it was expressed specifically in the ussr and in china has quite a few elements of religiosity</p></blockquote>
<p>True but this had a lot to do with the cult of personality such regimes create in order to breed obedience.</p>
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		<title>By: toomanytribbles</title>
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		<dc:creator>toomanytribbles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 02:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i liked both of these posts.  will there be more? 
 
it&#039;s a mistake to call communism a religion.  i do think, however, that the way it was expressed specifically in the ussr and in china has  quite a few elements of religiosity... and i do think that this is accounted for by the points you made about both societies not having had a capitalist basis. 
 
&#949;&#965;&#967;&#945;&#961;&#953;&#963;&#964;ώ for these and hope to see more.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i liked both of these posts.  will there be more? </p>
<p>it&#039;s a mistake to call communism a religion.  i do think, however, that the way it was expressed specifically in the ussr and in china has  quite a few elements of religiosity&#8230; and i do think that this is accounted for by the points you made about both societies not having had a capitalist basis. </p>
<p>&epsilon;&upsilon;&chi;&alpha;&rho;&iota;&sigma;&tau;ώ for these and hope to see more.</p>
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		<title>By: db0</title>
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		<dc:creator>db0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 01:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The labor theory of value is, as I recall, Adam Smith&#039;s idea. Marx&#039;s contribution to economics is the theory of surplus value&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
 
Correct. My mistake. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The labor theory of value is, as I recall, Adam Smith&#039;s idea. Marx&#039;s contribution to economics is the theory of surplus value</p></blockquote>
<p>Correct. My mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: The Barefoot Bum</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Barefoot Bum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 01:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quibbles... 
 
Communism is best described, I think, as a philosophical system, which embeds empirical science as its epistemology and embeds a purely materialistic ontology. 
 
The labor theory of value is, as I recall, &lt;i&gt;Adam Smith&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; idea. Marx&#039;s contribution to economics is the theory of &lt;i&gt;surplus&lt;/i&gt; value. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quibbles&#8230; </p>
<p>Communism is best described, I think, as a philosophical system, which embeds empirical science as its epistemology and embeds a purely materialistic ontology. </p>
<p>The labor theory of value is, as I recall, <i>Adam Smith&#039;s</i> idea. Marx&#039;s contribution to economics is the theory of <i>surplus</i> value.</p>
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