Comments on: Oh hey look! More “Anarcho”-Capitalists defending the facilitation of sexual harassment on the grounds of liberty. http://dbzer0.com/blog/oh-hey-look-more-anarcho-capitalists-defending-the-facilitation-of-sexual-harassment-on-the-grounds-of-liberty A bug in the code of the universe. Thu, 24 May 2012 02:11:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Royce Christian http://dbzer0.com/blog/oh-hey-look-more-anarcho-capitalists-defending-the-facilitation-of-sexual-harassment-on-the-grounds-of-liberty/comment-page-1#comment-78952 Royce Christian Sat, 31 Oct 2009 00:29:36 +0000 http://dbzer0.com/?p=3041#comment-78952 Excellent discussion. Excellent discussion.

]]> By: db0 http://dbzer0.com/blog/oh-hey-look-more-anarcho-capitalists-defending-the-facilitation-of-sexual-harassment-on-the-grounds-of-liberty/comment-page-1#comment-78892 db0 Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:04:51 +0000 http://dbzer0.com/?p=3041#comment-78892 It didn't happen overnight or over a single generation. Communal institutions and rules remained for a time after both accumulation and even slavery were introduced. However those institutions were based on tradition, not rationalism and thus were slowly eroded as the new ownership relations created classes and conflict their rules were not meant to deal with. This is in fact how the Greek states came about when the traditionally arbitratory families/clans were turned to in order to mediate between the newly originating class struggle. As such a concept started passing hereditary within the family/clan, statification begun. As I said though, i'm giving a very summarized view, full of holes due to brevity. It didn't happen overnight or over a single generation. Communal institutions and rules remained for a time after both accumulation and even slavery were introduced. However those institutions were based on tradition, not rationalism and thus were slowly eroded as the new ownership relations created classes and conflict their rules were not meant to deal with. This is in fact how the Greek states came about when the traditionally arbitratory families/clans were turned to in order to mediate between the newly originating class struggle. As such a concept started passing hereditary within the family/clan, statification begun.

As I said though, i'm giving a very summarized view, full of holes due to brevity.

]]> By: nothirdsolution http://dbzer0.com/blog/oh-hey-look-more-anarcho-capitalists-defending-the-facilitation-of-sexual-harassment-on-the-grounds-of-liberty/comment-page-1#comment-78891 nothirdsolution Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:49:49 +0000 http://dbzer0.com/?p=3041#comment-78891 I find it a tad unsatisfactory to suggest that, for hundreds or thousands of years, mankind lived these idyllic communal lives, until all of a sudden a few people discovered how to harvest plants/vegetables from the land with regularity, thereafter which these producers decided to deny their communal society, their family, etc., in order to become oppressive slaveholders. I find it a tad unsatisfactory to suggest that, for hundreds or thousands of years, mankind lived these idyllic communal lives, until all of a sudden a few people discovered how to harvest plants/vegetables from the land with regularity, thereafter which these producers decided to deny their communal society, their family, etc., in order to become oppressive slaveholders.

]]> By: db0 http://dbzer0.com/blog/oh-hey-look-more-anarcho-capitalists-defending-the-facilitation-of-sexual-harassment-on-the-grounds-of-liberty/comment-page-1#comment-78887 db0 Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:23:32 +0000 http://dbzer0.com/?p=3041#comment-78887 Not exactly, if we look far enough back in the <a href="http:\/\/www.marxists.org\/archive\/marx\/works\/1884\/origin-family\/index.htm" target="_blank">origins of the state</a> we see that the statification of society was required to protect the newly forming classes from conflict. The reason why classes started forming is the institution of private property as the result of the original breakthroughs in growing and accumulation of food, allowing people to create more than they consume and thus facilitating slavery and thus promoting the concept of PP among slaveholders as a way to utilize said slavery. Once this was done, a state was necessary not only to protect the slaveholding society from the slaves, but also the haves, from the have-nots. A bit more complex than that of course but I digress anyway. In short, let me just say that the state itself is the result of primitive accumulation. Not exactly, if we look far enough back in the origins of the state we see that the statification of society was required to protect the newly forming classes from conflict. The reason why classes started forming is the institution of private property as the result of the original breakthroughs in growing and accumulation of food, allowing people to create more than they consume and thus facilitating slavery and thus promoting the concept of PP among slaveholders as a way to utilize said slavery. Once this was done, a state was necessary not only to protect the slaveholding society from the slaves, but also the haves, from the have-nots.

A bit more complex than that of course but I digress anyway. In short, let me just say that the state itself is the result of primitive accumulation.

]]> By: db0 http://dbzer0.com/blog/oh-hey-look-more-anarcho-capitalists-defending-the-facilitation-of-sexual-harassment-on-the-grounds-of-liberty/comment-page-1#comment-78888 db0 Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:23:32 +0000 http://dbzer0.com/?p=3041#comment-78888 Not exactly, if we look far enough back in the <a href="http:\/\/www.marxists.org\/archive\/marx\/works\/1884\/origin-family\/index.htm" target="_blank">origins of the state</a> we see that the statification of society was required to protect the newly forming classes from conflict. The reason why classes started forming is the institution of private property as the result of the original breakthroughs in growing and accumulation of food, allowing people to create more than they consume and thus facilitating slavery and thus promoting the concept of PP among slaveholders as a way to utilize said slavery. Once this was done, a state was necessary not only to protect the slaveholding society from the slaves, but also the haves, from the have-nots. A bit more complex than that of course but I digress anyway. In short, let me just say that the state itself is the result of primitive accumulation. Not exactly, if we look far enough back in the origins of the state we see that the statification of society was required to protect the newly forming classes from conflict. The reason why classes started forming is the institution of private property as the result of the original breakthroughs in growing and accumulation of food, allowing people to create more than they consume and thus facilitating slavery and thus promoting the concept of PP among slaveholders as a way to utilize said slavery. Once this was done, a state was necessary not only to protect the slaveholding society from the slaves, but also the haves, from the have-nots.

A bit more complex than that of course but I digress anyway. In short, let me just say that the state itself is the result of primitive accumulation.

]]> By: db0 http://dbzer0.com/blog/oh-hey-look-more-anarcho-capitalists-defending-the-facilitation-of-sexual-harassment-on-the-grounds-of-liberty/comment-page-1#comment-78889 db0 Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:23:32 +0000 http://dbzer0.com/?p=3041#comment-78889 Not exactly, if we look far enough back in the <a href="http:\/\/www.marxists.org\/archive\/marx\/works\/1884\/origin-family\/index.htm" target="_blank">origins of the state</a> we see that the statification of society was required to protect the newly forming classes from conflict. The reason why classes started forming is the institution of private property as the result of the original breakthroughs in growing and accumulation of food, allowing people to create more than they consume and thus facilitating slavery and thus promoting the concept of PP among slaveholders as a way to utilize said slavery. Once this was done, a state was necessary not only to protect the slaveholding society from the slaves, but also the haves, from the have-nots. A bit more complex than that of course but I digress anyway. In short, let me just say that the state itself is the result of primitive accumulation. Not exactly, if we look far enough back in the origins of the state we see that the statification of society was required to protect the newly forming classes from conflict. The reason why classes started forming is the institution of private property as the result of the original breakthroughs in growing and accumulation of food, allowing people to create more than they consume and thus facilitating slavery and thus promoting the concept of PP among slaveholders as a way to utilize said slavery. Once this was done, a state was necessary not only to protect the slaveholding society from the slaves, but also the haves, from the have-nots.

A bit more complex than that of course but I digress anyway. In short, let me just say that the state itself is the result of primitive accumulation.

]]> By: db0 http://dbzer0.com/blog/oh-hey-look-more-anarcho-capitalists-defending-the-facilitation-of-sexual-harassment-on-the-grounds-of-liberty/comment-page-1#comment-78890 db0 Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:23:32 +0000 http://dbzer0.com/?p=3041#comment-78890 Not exactly, if we look far enough back in the <a href="http:\/\/www.marxists.org\/archive\/marx\/works\/1884\/origin-family\/index.htm" target="_blank">origins of the state</a> we see that the statification of society was required to protect the newly forming classes from conflict. The reason why classes started forming is the institution of private property as the result of the original breakthroughs in growing and accumulation of food, allowing people to create more than they consume and thus facilitating slavery and thus promoting the concept of PP among slaveholders as a way to utilize said slavery. Once this was done, a state was necessary not only to protect the slaveholding society from the slaves, but also the haves, from the have-nots. A bit more complex than that of course but I digress anyway. In short, let me just say that the state itself is the result of primitive accumulation. Not exactly, if we look far enough back in the origins of the state we see that the statification of society was required to protect the newly forming classes from conflict. The reason why classes started forming is the institution of private property as the result of the original breakthroughs in growing and accumulation of food, allowing people to create more than they consume and thus facilitating slavery and thus promoting the concept of PP among slaveholders as a way to utilize said slavery. Once this was done, a state was necessary not only to protect the slaveholding society from the slaves, but also the haves, from the have-nots.

A bit more complex than that of course but I digress anyway. In short, let me just say that the state itself is the result of primitive accumulation.

]]> By: nothirdsolution http://dbzer0.com/blog/oh-hey-look-more-anarcho-capitalists-defending-the-facilitation-of-sexual-harassment-on-the-grounds-of-liberty/comment-page-1#comment-78884 nothirdsolution Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:19:22 +0000 http://dbzer0.com/?p=3041#comment-78884 <blockquote> Err, i didn't say that. In fact I pointed out that there was a state before the capitalists (the feudal states) which facilitated the capitalist mode of production. </blockquote> Within the context of a state-dominated environment, something which we call "capitalism" arose, which would not have otherwise come to pass. I'll grant you that much. But I still say the State is the root cause. it's the State and its prior usurpations which are the proximate cause of "capitalism", slavery &c.

Err, i didn't say that. In fact I pointed out that there was a state before the capitalists (the feudal states) which facilitated the capitalist mode of production.

Within the context of a state-dominated environment, something which we call "capitalism" arose, which would not have otherwise come to pass. I'll grant you that much. But I still say the State is the root cause. it's the State and its prior usurpations which are the proximate cause of "capitalism", slavery &c.

]]> By: db0 http://dbzer0.com/blog/oh-hey-look-more-anarcho-capitalists-defending-the-facilitation-of-sexual-harassment-on-the-grounds-of-liberty/comment-page-1#comment-78882 db0 Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:05:00 +0000 http://dbzer0.com/?p=3041#comment-78882 <blockquote>What would be the name for this? I ask only because I want to sign up for it, right now. </blockquote> For Free Market Anti-Capitalism? <a href="http:\/\/www.mutualist.org\/" target="_blank">Mutualism</a> as far as I know.

What would be the name for this? I ask only because I want to sign up for it, right now.

For Free Market Anti-Capitalism? Mutualism as far as I know.

]]> By: db0 http://dbzer0.com/blog/oh-hey-look-more-anarcho-capitalists-defending-the-facilitation-of-sexual-harassment-on-the-grounds-of-liberty/comment-page-1#comment-78881 db0 Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:04:04 +0000 http://dbzer0.com/?p=3041#comment-78881 <blockquote>There wouldn't be any state without capitalists and there wouldn't be any capitalists without the state. </blockquote> Err, i didn't say that. In fact I pointed out that there was a state <b>before</b> the capitalists (the feudal states) which facilitated the capitalist mode of production. Btw, please reply to the specific threads if possible to keep things less quoted and confusing.

There wouldn't be any state without capitalists and there wouldn't be any capitalists without the state.

Err, i didn't say that. In fact I pointed out that there was a state before the capitalists (the feudal states) which facilitated the capitalist mode of production.

Btw, please reply to the specific threads if possible to keep things less quoted and confusing.

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