Comments on: Quote of the Day: Anarcho-Capitalist “Freedom”

By: Bob

Bob — Wed, 14 Apr 2010 13:20:55 +0000

Wow, that was a bunch of garbage! Fascism causes riots and a permanent lower class. We see the foolishness in this quote, if you just study history. Has it worked a few times…temporarily. It'll be the cause of more murders and hatred than our republican democracy ever did.

By: I and We » Along the Way…

I and We » Along the Way… — Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:52:56 +0000

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By: db0

db0 — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:33:30 +0000

Also, when I say "working class" I do not direct my words specifically to the USSR but also for example on the putting down of Italian workers and unions, which was the first course of action by the Fascists.

By: nothirdsolution

nothirdsolution — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:23:54 +0000

Are you suggesting that Stalinism was really a working-class uprising?

By: db0

db0 — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:31:13 +0000

I don't have to suggest anything. The Russian Revolution WAS a working class uprising. It was hijacked by authoritarian leaders who excused their actions with the fact that a bunch of imperial nations were invading them. Once power was centralized and Stalin took over, he was able to keep industrilizing and militarizing on the excuse that the fascist were outright hostile and preparing for confrontation.

The hijacking on the Russian revolution would not have been possible without imperialism threatening them.

By: db0

db0 — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:03:53 +0000

Then we need to add misinformation to his other failings as Stalinism rose to prominense very much as a reaction to European imperialism against the newly fledged USSR, the tip of which was Fascism and later Nazism.

In any case, I am not saying that Mises was evil, I'm saying that like a true apologist of the ruling class, he takes a stance appropriate to his nature, and when the working class gets unruly, he fully backs "evil means" long enough to put it down.

By: nothirdsolution

nothirdsolution — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 21:29:07 +0000

I think (based on a cursory examination of that chapter in Liberalism) that Mises clearly states that he believes fascism to have been a knee-jerk reaction to Stalinism, and in comparison, the lesser of two evils. Remember that Mises was also a firm believer in the idea that government was merely a tool, a means to achieving ends, and not evil in its own right. (from Liberty and Property) It's evident from context that he's not singing praises to Mussolini and Hitler.

By: nothirdsolution

nothirdsolution — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 21:28:29 +0000

By: db0

db0 — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:12:56 +0000

if not, then at least being you will know more about each other's views and will be able to critique them more solidly (and in a manner which is far more likely to convince).

The problem is that we already understand the AnCap views and there is a very solid critique against them. The fact that they persist means that the only attitude left is mockery and distancing ourselves from an ideology of apologetics for the ruling class.

By: db0

db0 — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:10:35 +0000

Anarcho-Capitlaism was a poor choice of name since anarchists generally use the original meaning for the term rather than the voluntary cooperation meaning, and yes, many AnCaps are idiots, but the same goes for all other branches of anarchism.

There can be no voluntary-cooperation without the original meaning of the term (ie egalitarianism). Without it, this voluntary cooperation is simply a mockery. Rather, "Anarcho"-Capitalism is a poor choice of name because they equate Anarchism with simple Anti-Statism.