Comments on: The Bourgeois Nations

By: db0

db0 — Sat, 03 Oct 2009 11:48:37 +0000

As for the economic freedom argument, I wouldn't give it much weight. Not only because it comes from an extremely biased source (a right-wing think tank) but because it is not measuring if a nation has economic freedom and then sees if it's prosperous but says that if it's prosperous it must have high economic freedom. It's nonsense, especially when they include Hong-Kong of all places which has huge government subsidies.

Pinochet's Chile is the perfect example of why the "economic freedom" argument is bullshit.

By: db0

db0 — Sat, 03 Oct 2009 11:44:57 +0000

I can't really provide numbers atm since I don't have any article at hand. However I think that the whole thing is fairly obvious if one sees how our economy is globalized. Since most of the commodities of the first world nation are created in the third world along with the raw materials, its absurd to be talking about each nation as somehow being an "island"

By: Anon73

Anon73 — Sat, 03 Oct 2009 03:29:35 +0000

Can you link to some numbers and statistics which illustrate your argument? I've heard the argument that "Capitalism works because look at USA, Hong Kong, etc and how rich they are", but you're saying this is wrong because the bourgeois and proletariat have not disappeared, the "3rd world" has simply become the proletariat, and hence Marx's theory is right if you look at _world capitalism_, not just capitalism in a single nation. I reread your post here because a recent report came out ranking "Economic freedom" around the world and perhaps unsurprisingly the "1st world" countries come out as free and the rest of the world is labeled "unfree": http://www.freetheworld.com/

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A Social Democrat and a Mutualist duke it out | A Division by Zer0 — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:12:04 +0000

[...] this death occurs, as can be seen from the scale of misery which occurs in most nations outside the rich “developed” ones, vastly outnumbers the suffering from active violence that occurred in pre-civilization [...]

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Mon, 23 Mar 2009 23:09:44 +0000

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By: db0

db0 — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 06:28:36 +0000

Of course they have a complete control. They wouldn't be in their position otherwise. However we have two things in our advantage. 1) There are more working class people than there are bourgeois, and 2) Disaster, Starvation, Exploitation and Misery very quickly turn people to socialists, breaking them free from the media illusions

By: Michael

Michael — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 06:21:08 +0000

The power of the corporations, govt, and media are so complete, you can't really 'oppose' it without ending up in trouble or being ignored.

Well it should be an interesting few years anyway, if not the disaster some are forecasting.

By: db0

db0 — Sun, 08 Feb 2009 11:49:59 +0000

The coming depression will certainly make things move forward. As to if we're going to lose our current privileges, only time will tell. But it's up to us to avoid acting like the bourgeoisie, through opposition to our government and the tactics of the corporations

By: Michael

Michael — Sun, 08 Feb 2009 07:52:27 +0000

Interesting take on it. Sounds pretty reasonable too.

So what dya reckon, has 'our time come'? And do you think 'we' are going to go quietly, or kicking and screaming?

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Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:23:31 +0000

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