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	<title>Comments on: Why Socialists must learn from the Free Software movement</title>
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		<title>By: Db0</title>
		<link>http://dbzer0.com/blog/why-socialists-must-learn-from-the-free-software-movement/comment-page-1#comment-94969</link>
		<dc:creator>Db0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 09:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My mistake, the dotCommunist manifesto is linked. The teleKommunist Manifesto is a bit similar and I think I&#039;ve talked to the guy who wrote it :) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mistake, the dotCommunist manifesto is linked. The teleKommunist Manifesto is a bit similar and I think I&#039;ve talked to the guy who wrote it <img src='http://dbzer0.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
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		<title>By: db0</title>
		<link>http://dbzer0.com/blog/why-socialists-must-learn-from-the-free-software-movement/comment-page-1#comment-94966</link>
		<dc:creator>db0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Telekommunist Manifesto is linked on the top slidebar for a few years now ;) </description>
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		<title>By: Throcky</title>
		<link>http://dbzer0.com/blog/why-socialists-must-learn-from-the-free-software-movement/comment-page-1#comment-94965</link>
		<dc:creator>Throcky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 07:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you read the Telekommunist Manifesto? Its author has a similar plan for communes within capitalism that&#039;s based on copyleft. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you read the Telekommunist Manifesto? Its author has a similar plan for communes within capitalism that&#039;s based on copyleft. </p>
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		<title>By: db0</title>
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		<dc:creator>db0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 14:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have fun begging the ruling elite to voluntarily give away their power now... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have fun begging the ruling elite to voluntarily give away their power now&#8230; </p>
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		<title>By: db0</title>
		<link>http://dbzer0.com/blog/why-socialists-must-learn-from-the-free-software-movement/comment-page-1#comment-83667</link>
		<dc:creator>db0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 14:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Also, wasn&#039;t the entire point of the above post showing how the use of contract and property rights could be used as means to create libertarian socialist pockets within a capitalist society? &lt;/blockquote&gt;  
  
To an extent, and only because we cannot avoid contracts and property rights, anymore than Free Software can avoid copyrights. Naturally it would be far better to make away with contracts and Private Property altogether. So this solution is simply using the tools of the system to destabilize it until we destroy those tools </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Also, wasn&#039;t the entire point of the above post showing how the use of contract and property rights could be used as means to create libertarian socialist pockets within a capitalist society? </p></blockquote>
<p>To an extent, and only because we cannot avoid contracts and property rights, anymore than Free Software can avoid copyrights. Naturally it would be far better to make away with contracts and Private Property altogether. So this solution is simply using the tools of the system to destabilize it until we destroy those tools </p>
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		<title>By: andrewclunn</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrewclunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 14:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the part where I call you a crazy anarchist and walk away. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#039;s the part where I call you a crazy anarchist and walk away. </p>
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		<title>By: db0</title>
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		<dc:creator>db0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 14:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Hold on. You&#039;re saying that I might be right about minarchism being more likely to lead to libertarian socialism, which is why the ruling elite will never allow it to happen, so that&#039;s why you should pursue alternate means of bringing about libertarian socialism? &lt;/blockquote&gt;  
  
It&#039;s more likely to bring about a libertarian-socialist revolution sooner and be overcome by it easier (not sure of course) but it will in no way &quot;lead&quot; to LibSoc.  But the effort of achieving minarchism and then waiting for a LibSoc revolution is by no means certainly faster than simply aiming for a LibSoc revolution under the current one. 
  
So naturally I would pursue the means that that is likely to bring about LibSoc, and that is convincing people that LibSoc tactics are a good idea and therefore subvert and destabilize the system through direct action until a revolution occurs. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hold on. You&#039;re saying that I might be right about minarchism being more likely to lead to libertarian socialism, which is why the ruling elite will never allow it to happen, so that&#039;s why you should pursue alternate means of bringing about libertarian socialism? </p></blockquote>
<p>It&#039;s more likely to bring about a libertarian-socialist revolution sooner and be overcome by it easier (not sure of course) but it will in no way &quot;lead&quot; to LibSoc.  But the effort of achieving minarchism and then waiting for a LibSoc revolution is by no means certainly faster than simply aiming for a LibSoc revolution under the current one. </p>
<p>So naturally I would pursue the means that that is likely to bring about LibSoc, and that is convincing people that LibSoc tactics are a good idea and therefore subvert and destabilize the system through direct action until a revolution occurs. </p>
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		<title>By: andrewclunn</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrewclunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 13:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hold on.  You&#039;re saying that I might be right about minarchism being more likely to lead to libertarian socialism, which is why the ruling elite will never allow it to happen, so that&#039;s why you should pursue alternate means of bringing about libertarian socialism?  Am I hearing you right? 
 
Also, wasn&#039;t the entire point of the above post showing how the use of contract and property rights could be used as means to create libertarian socialist pockets within a capitalist society? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hold on.  You&#039;re saying that I might be right about minarchism being more likely to lead to libertarian socialism, which is why the ruling elite will never allow it to happen, so that&#039;s why you should pursue alternate means of bringing about libertarian socialism?  Am I hearing you right? </p>
<p>Also, wasn&#039;t the entire point of the above post showing how the use of contract and property rights could be used as means to create libertarian socialist pockets within a capitalist society? </p>
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		<title>By: db0</title>
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		<dc:creator>db0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 13:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The third is not a non-sequitur if you mean to imply that libertarian socialism must occur simultaneously in all societies to be successful, but if that is the case, then... well that would be a crushing blow for your ideology, so I assume that is not the case. &lt;/blockquote&gt; 
 
Libertarian Socialism is international, so at the least, it does need a critical mass of land to allow for a self-sustained society to form around it (i.e. a society which does not have to rely on capitalist relations to sustain itself). And such a society, by its very existence would destabilize all capitalist nations that still remain, which is the reason why any such attempt was brutally suppressed every time it occurred. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The third is not a non-sequitur if you mean to imply that libertarian socialism must occur simultaneously in all societies to be successful, but if that is the case, then&#8230; well that would be a crushing blow for your ideology, so I assume that is not the case. </p></blockquote>
<p>Libertarian Socialism is international, so at the least, it does need a critical mass of land to allow for a self-sustained society to form around it (i.e. a society which does not have to rely on capitalist relations to sustain itself). And such a society, by its very existence would destabilize all capitalist nations that still remain, which is the reason why any such attempt was brutally suppressed every time it occurred. </p>
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		<title>By: andrewclunn</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrewclunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 13:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No they are not.  We are not discussing the various different means of bringing about socialism, we are discussing the method discussed in the above post.  If you would like to have that discussion, it will be very short, as it was already covered in your &quot;why we can&#039;t be friends&quot; article. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No they are not.  We are not discussing the various different means of bringing about socialism, we are discussing the method discussed in the above post.  If you would like to have that discussion, it will be very short, as it was already covered in your &quot;why we can&#039;t be friends&quot; article. </p>
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