Comment Wars Meme: Why Intense Debate is superior to Disqus

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In recent months, outsourcing one’s blog comments to a specialized comment engine has become quite trendy for many people. Of those specialized engines, two are gathering the most publicity, Intense Debate and Disqus. I jumped onto this comments outsourcing bandwagon about half a year ago and my choice was Intense Debate Comments (IDC from now on). Not only have I not regretted at all but I’ve become such a staunch evangelist for this system that I have made quite a few converts 🙂

So what is this post about? Well, yesterday, Friar Zero asked my via email why I preferred IDC over Disqus. The simple answer is that IDC was the one I stumbled onto first, quite randomly while using the Get Satisfaction support (GSFN from now). I discovered Disqus shortly after that but since I had already taken IDC for a ride, I saw no reason to start all over again and Disqus was not also using GSFN so as weird as it sounds, that was a major reason for me at the start.

But of course that’s not a proper reason and I think it’s time for me to actually write  in detail why I preferred one over the other. And since I’m doing that, I thought I might as well make this my first meme and perhaps trigger others to explain for themselves why they use their current choice. This will hopefully create a body of opinions which might give bloggers enough information about each option from all sides of the argument, to make an informed decision.

So the rules of the Comment Wars meme are the following:

  1. Declare which system you prefer and perhaps give a short history of your decision.
  2. List the reasons of why you prefer you current system choice over the direct competitor (If you’re using IDC, your competitor is Disqus and the other way around).
  3. (Optionally) list the reasons why you prefer your current system over your blog’s default comment system (WordPress, Blogger or Typepad most likely). If you’re still using your default system, instead list the reasons why you consider it superior to both IDC and Disqus.
  4. Link to the person who tagged you for this meme.
  5. Link to any other people who are using any third-party comment system of whom you care to know why they chose as they did.  You can also link to any people who are still using the built-in comment system and you want to know why. Make sure to leave them a comment or send an email to inform them that they have been tagged.

So without further ado

Why I prefer Intense Debate over Disqus

Some Horrible Threading in Disqus
Some Horrible Threading in Disqus

1. The threading looks and works much better

The original thing that drew me to IDC was the capability to have threaded comments and this is still the thing that breaks or makes the deal for me. IDC threads simply look natural, with the little arrow pointing to the reply below, with the reply being just a tad to the right (so as to allow a lot of threading before you run out of space) and where the end result just looks natural.

On the other hand, Disqus threading, to me always looked ugly. Blocky comments which simply begun below and quite a bit indented which had the result of quickly running out of space. This became painfully obvious when I participated in a lengthy discussion through disqus and after the 13th reply, it stared becoming very annoying to continue (sample on the right)

On the contrary, in the Division by Zero, I’ve held a 30 deep-thread going without any major inconvenience. Granted, it helps that I have a variable width template (why waste screen real-estate) but it is mostly because of the way IDC conserves space and builds the thread.

It would be impossible to hold a 130-reply thread going without good layout and the fact that I did and it’s actually readable from a visitor’s point of view, is a major success.

The only thing missing (from both systems) is a way to connect a reply to the parent comment, but IDC already has the collapse thread function and I know they’re working on better solutions.

2. They seem to innovate in the correct direction

While both systems have taken a generally similar path in features, and even though IDC came later to the party, IDC seems much more full in features that Disqus. I’ve been seeing a lot of new features such as the recent ability to paginate comments in order to keep the page load fast, or the capability to keep your wordpress comments synced both ways with IDC.

I do not know what the recent innovations of Disqus have been to tell the truth as I don’t pay attention to them so I can’t really compare the relevant speed they advance. A quick look at their blog tells me they do provide a lot of good stuff as well but I get the impression that they are more interested in making more fancy features rather than strengthen and make the comments themselves as good and solid as possible.

3. Email notifications rock

By now, I’ve gotten email notifications for replies by both systems (and from builtin solutions) and I can safely say that IDC was the best for the following reasons.

  • They send a notification immediately after a reply is posted to a thread below your comment. That is, if you leave a comment and someone replies to it, you get a notification. If, after 3 days, someone replies to the reply to your comment, you are still notified, as this is continuing from a point you raised. I find this great to keep a conversation live and going ((It’s been a while since I got such a notification as I generally comment on my own blog where I get an email for everything. Last time I remember, this functionality was the case but it may have changed since)).
    On the other side, Disqus seems to send notifications only every 30 minutes or so (thus some times passes before you get informed that you got a reply, and by then you might have gone to do something else) and then you only get notifications if someone responds directly to your comment. You don’t get informed if someone continues the discussion that you started.
  • The email notification includes your response to that comment as well, so you can immediately see the context of what they are replying to. This is quite important as it’s very often that I do not remember what I was saying at the time.
  • It allows you to reply by email. Granted, so does Disqus, but not the built-in systems.

4. They are (now) owned by Automattic.

This is more of a personal preference than anything else but it really made my day when I learned about it. To clarify, Automattic are the makers of WordPress, the Blogging software the Division by Zer0 stands on and, for me, is the best you can use. That IDC is now backed by the skills and expertise of those people gives me much optimism about the future.

And since WordPress is a Free Software, you never know, perhaps we’ll be able to convince the IDC people to finally liberate their code (it’s for their own good after all 😉 )

To tell you the truth, I can foresee Disqus being acquired by WordPress’ rival in the blogging battlefield: Blogger/Blogspot, or more accurately, Google. If this happens, things will get…interesting.

5. They use Get Satisfaction and their support guys are top-notch

GSFN has become one of my favourite places to seek support and it was actually how I came to discover IDC as I explained at the start. Their support guys are still active over there and they generally provide excellent support (although a few times I did go for weeks without solution). I’ve had issues which were reported only by me actually looked by a developer to find a solution very quickly. Although some times I really felt like pulling out my luxurious hair, eventually a solution was found and the than all was right in the world again. But no matter what, very rarely will you find a support person volunteer to help you scour your blog for possible problems just to make sure that everything is ok.

Unfortunately I do not know how quick the Disqus support is but the fact that they use their own support forum generally does not make me happy.

Another big benefit of GSFN is the ability to separate ideas from other support issues and get an idea of how many other people want the same idea to happen. Quite a few of the things I’ve proposed in the past have already been implemented and the devs generally pay attention to what their userbase asks for. This counts.

6. They integrate very well with WordPress

At the moment of speaking, the IDC wordpress plugin merges very well with the platform. Not only can you manage your comments in the same way as before (bulk moderation etc), but it also gives you some extra functionality, like the ability to reply to comments from within WordPress moderation or filter by author.

I won’t claim that the plugin is perfect as I have suffered quite a bit through it (I was testing it since the alpha) but I can safely say that for most people it should work flawlessly and if you have a problem they’ll be able to fix it for you quickly 😉

And with these six points, I finish my reasons on why I prefer IDC over disqus. Very shortly now, I’m going to present…

Why I prefer IDC over WordPress’ built-in comments

1. IDC has threading

As I said, this is a deal-maker for me. While wordpress can achieve threading with plugins and the newest 2.7 has it built-in by default, in my site it never looked nice and you could not thread more than once (or the theme broke and I couldn’t fix it). IDC worked out of the box, and much much better than I could ever imagine. Indeed, I was so impressed with the Threading capabilities of IDC that I could now change my Comment policy to allow discussions to flow much better.

2. Email Notifications

While wordpress can do this with plugins again, it doesn’t do email replies.

3. I can keep my site is less bloated

WordPress can indeed handle email notifications and threading and whatnot but all of these are extra code that needs CPU power to run and on a shared hosting like mine, every little bit counts. Granted, IDC hasn’t been the fastest kid on the block until now, but recently the devs put it on a diet and with some new comment organization features, they’ve made it much faster to load.

That means I can get all these functions and anything more the developers cook up, without having to worry about updating 3- or 4 different plugins which might break each other or slowdown the site.

Resolution

In my eyes, IDC is and will remain the better choice for most people who want something superior than what comes with the box. I’m certain that the competition with Disqus will remain heated but this only benefits us all in the long run

Below you will find a poll where you can vote, as a blogger or as a commenter, which system you prefer. If you take part in the meme, feel free to link here for others so that we may get a bigger view.

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And finally, to tag some people to get some opinions and spread this meme. I’ve tried to tag a nice spread of systems to get various opinions on this.

Anyone else who is reading this, feel free to take part as well and let us know why you chose as you did. let the Comment Wars begin!

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33 thoughts on “Comment Wars Meme: Why Intense Debate is superior to Disqus”

  1. I chose IDC mostly because of your recommendation. I only looked at DISQUS briefly. Coming from Haloscan, either would have been an improvement. I do have one reader who has reported that IDC crashes his browser, but the problem doesn't seem to be particularly widespread.

  3. Are you sure? When was the last time you tried this? Did your comment sans javascript show up in IDC? Immediately?

    You won't probably care if your comments were inconsequential chatter. I cannot afford to treat my readers' contributions as fleeting as you do of yours.

    1. Are you sure? When was the last time you tried this? Did your comment sans javascript show up in IDC? Immediately?

      I've tried it many times. Just disable javascript and reload any page in this blog to see

    2. You won't probably care if your comments were inconsequential chatter. I cannot afford to treat my readers' contributions as fleeting as you do of yours.

      The fuck?! Get off your goddamn high horse will ya?

      I don't treat contributions as fleeting but I know from experience how little past commenters care about their old comments. Stay online and active for more than a couple of year and then tell me how much weight your contributors put to comments they posted 10 years ago.

  4. I'm still lost on the value of a comment system beyond management and appearance. As a blogger, I want two things: more readers and more comments. How does turning over my audience to a 3rd party help me accomplish this? What are the SEO implications of a javascript based comments system with repeated links off to the service provider?

    Most important question
    Is there an option that does the threading, cool-ajax implementation, and integration with Facebook, Google, OpenID, etc. WITHOUT hosting the comments off my blog?

  5. Sorry quick follow up to validate my concern/position. I just clicked the "Why?" next to "Sign up for IntenseDebate" beneath the comment form and two of the bullets are illogical, "Market yourself by providing links to your facebook, twitter, and other accounts" "Gain readership to your blog or website" Why would I want to do this by sending your readers, readers who are curious about me, to Intense Debate and not my blog? How does that net me more readership while promoting my profiles BETTER than my own blog?

    Thanks, sorry to sound critical of them, I'm really not, I just haven't figured out the benefits in this regard and believe they are taking advantage of blogs to create their own social networks.

    1. Eh, that's a bit old I think. IDC doesn't look like they want to be another social network but that's the way the original setup was, this was one of the initial benefits (basically the dropdown menu you get when you mouseover my avatar). Also check this

  6. Well for more comments, the email notifications and threading really make discussions better and people who have an IDC account will have it easier to start typing without having to provide all their info again. SEO on a wordpress blog are not affected since commenter links are always no-follow anyway and the comment content is stored in the normal WP db as well so it's indexed.

    Is there an option that does the threading, cool-ajax implementation, and integration with Facebook, Google, OpenID, etc. WITHOUT hosting the comments off my blog?

    Only if you self-host your wordpress and install about 7 or more different plugins. It still wouldn't look as nice though. In any case, with IDC your comments are hosted in your blog as well since they are imported automatically.

    1. Okay so is it fair to say that they don't, really, increase traffic or readership? I don't mean that as a criticism, I'm trying to understand the reality of their benefits.

      The dropdown on your icon is very cool but ultimately, when I click on your user id, which is what most people do, I go to IDC.

      Yes, email makes it easier for IDC users to remain engaged but how many people have an IDC account (or want yet another account).
      Ask the same userbase question; relative to Google, OpenID, or Facebook? None

      SEO isn't hindered by javascript, I see that now, with the text rendering properly on your blog but every blog post you have has a link to IDC. That's attribution to IDC from every page on your blog and every other blog that uses it. In no time, their page rank (or whatever you want to think of it as) will dwarf the blogs they support causing them to show up more prominently in Google for searches that result in your comments. This also leaks authority FROM your blog, essentially saying to Google from every page that IDC is to be attributed.

      Again, not a criticism of the system, more so, NOT a criticism of IDC, we just happen to be looking at that installation on your blog. I'm asking for confirmation that those considerations are true of comment systems in general. Those are, CONS, if you will, to be weighed against the PROs.

      So as to increasing readership – are user comments sent to Facebook, Twitter, or MySpace? Do they mingle on some network on IDC where other interested IDC users might happen upon them – turning to your blog to read the related post?

      1. Okay so is it fair to say that they don't, really, increase traffic or readership? I don't mean that as a criticism, I'm trying to understand the reality of their benefits.

        It's not possible for a comment system by itself to increase traffic although it might achieve it through integration with other services like friendfeed and twitter.

      2. The dropdown on your icon is very cool but ultimately, when I click on your user id, which is what most people do, I go to IDC.

        I know. I don't like it either, which is why I've asked them to change it.

      3. Yes, email makes it easier for IDC users to remain engaged but how many people have an IDC account (or want yet another account).

        Email notifications (and replies) don't need an IDC account.

      4. but every blog post you have has a link to IDC. That's attribution to IDC from every page on your blog and every other blog that uses it.

        That's not exactly true. The links to IDC only show up in the javascript output and the googlebot does not parse javascript. If you see the page with javascript disabled, you will notice that there is not a single link to IDC (outside of javascript's source locations of course) except through the imported comments. Those in turns have been requested to point to blog urls instead (see the link I gave you above) and in any case, the link has the 'nofollow' rel tag so it's not counted by search engines as authoritative.

  7. So as to increasing readership – are user comments sent to Facebook, Twitter, or MySpace? Do they mingle on some network on IDC where other interested IDC users might happen upon them – turning to your blog to read the related post?

    No. Yes. No. Yes. 🙂

    Currently it's up to the commenter to sent their comments optionally to two other services, Friendfeed and Twitter but with the new plugin functions, this can be expanded infinitelly (many people are asking for FB integration for example)
    They do mingle on IDC although that is not as good as Disqus does it, but on the other hand, IDC focuses more on improving the comment experience on any particular site where disqus focuses on the social aspect..

  12. Wow this post is an inspiration because JUST as I was about to give up on IDC's customization, I see that you have really customized everything, and somehow gotten the trackbacks into a cool toggle at the top. Is there any way you can give me a clue as to how you did that? How do you extract and work with trackbacks once you use IDC's template? Best, James

  15. Sorry quick follow up to validate my concern/position. I just clicked the “Why?” next to “Sign up for IntenseDebate” beneath the comment form and two of the bullets are illogical, “Market yourself by providing links to your facebook, twitter, and other accounts” “Gain readership to your blog or website” Why would I want to do this by sending your readers, readers who are curious about me, to Intense Debate and not my blog? How does that net me more readership while promoting my profiles BETTER than my own blog?

    Thanks, sorry to sound critical of them, I’m really not, I just haven’t figured out the benefits in this regard and believe they are taking advantage of blogs to create their own social networks.

    1. Intense Debate links to your blog, not their website. They used to do that but they have changed it since. Bullet point 1 means that they link to your own comments, not their website.

  16. I'm probably late to the party on this post but I'll throw my $0.02 worth in anyway since I'm here 🙂

    I migrated a 3 year old Drupal powered website over to WordPress over the Xmas break and set about improving the user experience. One of the areas was certainly around interactivity on the site and comments plays a big part there. I chose ID and installed it only a week ago and the main factor was comment threading, the ability to keep my comments and the multiple avenues users are able to use to make a comment. Beats the standard WP commenting system hands down.

    Thanks for the informative post too – confirms I made the right choice 🙂

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  19. I’m curious why, even though this post is about why IDC is superior, this blog switched to disqus. I this this post needs an update.

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  21. I just clicked the “Why?” next to “Sign up for IntenseDebate” beneath the comment form and two of the bullets are illogical, “Market yourself by providing links to your facebook, twitter, and other accounts” “Gain readership to your blog or website” Why would I want to do this by sending your readers Togel Online Klik 4D , readers who are curious about me, to Intense Debate and not my blog? How does that net me more readership while promoting my profiles BETTER than my own blog?

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