What if the god of Atheism was real?

This is directed to all my theist readers: What would you do if the god of atheism was real?
Imagine a God that provides no proof, or even hint, of his existence. He will only reward people who have lived their life believing that no gods existed, including him, and have reached this conclusion through critical and rational thinking.
If your life ends as an Atheist/Agnostic, you will be rewarded. If not…

How would you deal with this?

This query was triggered by a recent question directed to Atheists by a Christian. It asked directly on how would we react if we ever discovered that the evangelical abrahamic deity existed, no matter how that happened.
What follows is some analysis and thoughts on the question posed. You can jump directly to my question details from here

Now, as others stated and is furthermore plainly obvious, this is a kind of a Pascal’s wager. The inquirer is simply attempting to make us think of the consequences of being wrong. This may sound like a scary concept for someone who is already a Christian or recently deconverted, and indeed it is one of the reasons why some people remain christians, even in the face of overwhelming evidence. The fate of eternal punishment is just too great of a threat to even contemplate switching. A powerful meme in its own right.

Unfortunately, this does not work the same way on atheists and agnostics who know the facts and are not cowed by threats. This is readily apparent from many of the replies where the answer given is one of defiance, even in the face of eternal torment.

However, what is interesting is the own author’s own reply when the question is switched (as indeed is easy to do with any Pascal’s wager) and directed back at him, in the form of the existence of Allah. Read for yourselves:

NZskep, if tomorrow I found out that Allah was true, I’d become a Muslim as fast as I could recite in Arabic “Allah hu akbar, bismillahi rahman hu rahim, la illa il allah, Mohammed rasul Allah”.

Why? Because if that is the truth then it’s the truth. I don’t really have a choice if I’m a truth seeker. I have to accept it.

That also goes for Hinduism, Buddhism or even African Animism and of course if there is no god then I’ll become an Atheist..tomorrow.

No questions, no if’s and’s or but’s.

This is unsurprising really. The author claims to be a truth seeker and would instantly convert to Allah, Hinduism, Dodecatheism or whatever, if only those deities made themselves undeniably real.

It is nothing more than the user displaying his Atheism/Agnosticism in regards to those other deities and then, like the rest of us, demanding proof that is not only undeniable, but also superior to the proof he has on his current god.

Surprisingly, he further claims that if there is no god, then he’ll become an atheist…tomorrow. Im not certain if this “…tomorrow” has some other meaning but what he is asking is again, undeniable proof for the non-existence of god. Barring the fact that you cannot prove a negative, this undeniable proof already exists in the many philosophical, scriptural and empirical problems all theistic religions face. The fact that he chooses not to consider them only shows that he is not really willing to look at it.


However, this apparent willingness to test his own beliefs leads me to the question I posted at the start of this post. I can even spicy it up a little to avoid some responses that might be directed to me.

  • Do you feel defiant that this God allows the problem of evil to exist? Then be aware that this god has no power over this world/reality/life but all power over your life-after-death.
  • You should not believe that life-after-death exists either.
  • Do you believe that it’s better to believe to your current god because his punishment is horrible and/or eternal? Then be aware that the God of Atheists torture is not simply burning in a lake of fire stuff (that’s for wussies anyway). Expect eternal torment that you cannot even imagine. If you can imagine it…it’s worse.
  • Do you feel that just because I assert this god exists that he is obviously not real? Well, think again. You cannot prove he does not exist any more that I can prove yours does not either. Personally, I don’t believe he exists…but he could.
  • He does not care if you’ve been good or bad, only that you don’t believe in any gods.
  • Btw, the cousin god of woo-woo will punish you appropriately if you should believe in any “alternative” stuff that have no proof either. No homeopathy, acupuncture, i-ching, ghosts etc or to the eternal suffering you go.

I think I’ve covered all the bases so lets hear it my theist readers (And I hope my atheist readers may help spread the question around): What would you do if the god of atheism was real?

  • http://www.chickengirl.net/ Chicken Girl

    “Imagine a God that provides no proof, or even hint, of his existence. He will only reward people who have lived their life believing that no gods existed, including him, and have reached this conclusion through critical and rational thinking.”

    That’s gotta be one of the trippiest things I have ever heard. :shock:

  • http://www.ofsteel.net Arnoc

    For gods feed of faith in them this god would disappear sooner or later unworshipped or at least adressed. So the fact of him existing is less likely as on the other gods, I bet that’s the reason nobody has build a non-temple to non-worship him and written a non-book that is made not to read not to follow. :-D But nevertheless, if this entity existed one way or another it might have an aversion of humans believing in him or others. This principle reminds me a little of Prometheus. And I see nothing wrong in the concept besides the first thing I mentioned. So maybe the “god” of atheism is a real person? Maybe you know him or his reincarnates? Huh? How do I know that you are not his prophet and this is part of your plan to feed the void with my faith to do him a favor not to strengthen other gods? ;)

    I am delighted. Great question. :]

    • http://dbzer0.com Db0

      For gods feed of faith in them this god would disappear sooner or later unworshipped or at least adressed.

      This is an assertion that does not have any empirical proof however. You do not know that Gods “feed on belief” you just think they might. Sure it’s a concept that some book authors popularized but not empirical.

      I am delighted. Great question. :]

      I’m glad :D

      I’m only sad that not more people commented…

  • http://www.ofsteel.net Arnoc

    “If you want to convince anyone other than yourself, that’s all you got”

    No. You can make a bridge on similar experience, explain the concept or compare to metaphors. The point is that empirical proof as much as scientific method is general and anonymous and non-personal. And I consider the world to be anonymous and non-personal enough. I am not going to dispersonize my experience and reduce it to something everyone can proof simply for two facts: First, it is beyond my abilities as much as it is beyond the abilities of those who try to get it but cannot. Second, it’s something so f’kin personal that I am not going to share it with everybody and nobody has a “right” to have it shared that much. ;) The only thing I can and I am willing to do is to explain and if someone finds it useful, he might keep a part of it, if not he gained some nice stories to tell of ancient myths and modern habits.

    The second part was, that I was thinking about something like this: “How do I know you are not a prophet of that atheist divinity, trying to disconvince me from believing in gods of any kind.” The next thought about the _why_ was “What use might that be of? Maybe the atheist god does not like the other gods to be worshipped and getting stronger.”

    Another interesting fact is, that we talk about faith and belief and completely ignore that there are so many ways to .. let’s call it “contact” .. a divine entity. Its not only praying, worshipping or believing in, it’s trading, receiving info and commanding as well, don’t forget that. ;)

    • http://www.ofsteel.net Arnoc

      There are so many ways to trade and to bargain on the bazar of life, but this your currency is empiric proof called and you don’t seem to take visa or anything else. That’s why I called it static before.. ;)

  • God of Atheism

    Hate to tell you guys this, but I *am* real, and every time one of you doesn’t believe me, I grow in power. Every time you say you *do* believe me, I know you really don’t, and grow in power anyways. I’ve got this market LOCKED!

    • Lance Keebs

      Ha! I totally beLIEve in you, like so much I might die of it.

      • Lance Keebs

        I wonder if I was being sarcastic?

        (sarcastic)

        Because I was being sarcastic, and this sentence actually isnt sarcastic, I don’t really know if you get it or not.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/db0 db0

    Hey thanks, did know that one :)

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/db0 db0

    But if you grow in power and you can't use it to prove your existense, do you really grow? Or do you just use it to pimp-slap Allah around?

    Plus, you're lying for if you really were the God of Atheism you wouldn't be leaving this comment :P

  • http://deusexeverriculum.wordpress.com/ Postman

    Eine Postkarte ist leistungsfähiger Beweis, Nr.?*

    *Full Disclosure: I had to go to Babel Fish to translate that.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/db0 db0

    Hah, don't worry, I'm not German. You should have tried in Greek :P

    Aber nein. Unless the postcard materializes from component atoms in front of my eyes (and perhaps not even then) I'd say that it's not as strong a piece of evidence ;)

  • http://deusexeverriculum.wordpress.com/ Postman

    Βλασφημία αυτό! Are you sure you're not German? 'Cause Gawd told me German and He gets soooo pissed when you prove Him wrong.

    As for the postcard; Phrew! You're a hard one to convince. I assumed that's all it would take to convince anyone. I never came up with a Plan B.

  • DUT

    If there is a God. And if this God did indeed make man in his own image (or not). Why would He create a creature set to worship on faith alone, when we are clearly instruments of reason? I would imagine any creator of anything would hope the best for its creation. Since mans positive progression throughout history can be attributed to logic, reasoning, and deduction, why would that not be praised by an almighty? It is that very logic, reasoning, and deduction that brought us out of the empirical reign religion once held over western civilization. Thus bringing advancements to medicine, exploration, and all reletaive qualities of life. It seems suiting that God (if there is a God), wanting the best for His creation, would encourage man to reason instead of trust and hope.
    Side Note:
    Believing in God, or disbelieving in God, is folly. What we should be doing to working together through our own systematic processes for the improvement of mankind.

  • ThankEarthNotGod.

    So im really sleepy, I am too lazy to read this article at the moment but I'll comment on the Tittle "What if the god of Atheism was real?" If there was a God for atheists that would make ass all dumb hypocrites.

    • Lance Keebs

      You sound like me

  • http://www.fidemturbare.com/ Fidem Turbāre

    I, Fidem Turbāre (the non-existent atheist goddess), am not real (and the burden is yours if you wish to prove otherwise).